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Jan 3Edited

Many are making the comparison to Noriega and Panama in 1989. Arguing, nothing special here - America does this kind of stuff all the time. There may be something to that in a narrow sense. But I guess the response would be that the context now is very different. Panama ended up being kind of a footnote, because the order-building dynamic was so strong in those years. Now the gears are in reverse. So there’s a superficial similarity between the events. But, in the end, Panama was just noise. Venezuela sends a signal.

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Many people have said that Putin (or Xi) did not care about it and were/are restrained only by the opposition of force of arms so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I think they miss the real significance of the current ongoing breakdown of the world order. It is one thing to say that in final analysis, all matters are settled by force but the consensus on how, when and what conditions it is allowed is very important.

I had mentioned in a twitter post a few years back but the real break from the historical past was not colonialism but the post-45 order with its rejection of wars of conquest, internationalism, and universalist orientation of dominant ideologies in both camps (liberalism/socialism-communism).

Yes, yes, there was tons of hypocrisy, the rules were honored in breach, and the Cold War was much more brutal outside the collective West, but an order where all that is thrown overboard and we return to the world of 19th century with 21st century technology would be way more brutal.

If the outcome of WW2 was different and we had ended up with a cold war between the US and Nazi Germany, for example, then the world and the "rules of the game" would be completely different from the ones in our timeline.

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